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  1. Posted

    On 11/10/2017 at 12:14 PM, The1TheOnlyGonzo said:

    Thank you for the reply, and let's not get into Quebec lol. 

    I do hope it does allow for radical spectrum of Government policy and regulation (totalitarianism to anarchism if possible, even a junta or junkta or whatever it is called would be interesting) but I am positive there will be limitations. Especially in the beginning.  I imagine it may be difficult for some of these policies that this political groups and others have to be established in the beginning weeks of the game.

    Maybe I am pessimistic in my look here, so I understand if you or others have a different view on the launch of the game. 

    Again, I am not arguing whether it's possible, or if it should be done in the game. That has nothing to do with what I am saying. I am simply responding to a reply that was stating that universal = 0$ in costs. And I am from Quebec and it's the perfect example of this.

     

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    42 minutes ago, The1TheOnlyGonzo said:

    An Ambulance ride is not technically a service under universal healthcare. In Ontario, Canada, we have universal healthcare and this is not a service under OHIP. OHIP will help with costs for it and thus we do get a fee or around $45, but it is not a service of universal healthcare. It is a service normally funded by the hospital and it's donation system. 

    Schooling is covered up to the age of 18, yes you are right. Normally that age is met toward the end of high school. These are normally paid through taxes though. I don't think I have heard of education fees, idk what Liberal Ontario is honestly doing now with education. So you may be right now regarding that too. 

    I do apologize with how I worded myself in my final little paragraph.  I did not mean to say you should not argue other countries concepts and regulations of universal healthcare, and for that I am sorry.

    What I meant to argue was I am not sure how much we can truly take from these systems as this fictional state that these political groups wish to govern is based in a non-fictional country where universal healthcare isn't established. I don't believe one will be able to truly establish a universal healthcare-like system on Identity.  Perhaps outside of the game, yes, but I have doubts that there will be a system in game allowing for that.  Again I apologize for how poorly I worded this earlier. 

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    Ambulances are covered by the health insurance but I won't get into it

    Don't forget that Quebec also pays for post-secondary education, different then the rest of Canada but the same rules apply. You still have fees to go to school

    As for how much the game will allow (I think it'll allow more then you give credit for)  or more importantly how much it SHOULD allow (game politics is different by nature) is up to you and that's your own decision. I am just stating the fact that you can pay for something even if it's "universal" such as health care. The rest I'm not arguing for or against I'm not the one running, let the ones who are doing the talking.

    That being said, remember that although it's based on the USA it's virtual and practically it's own thing. It won't necessarily be the USA nor reflect the reality (else it'd be boring)

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  3. Posted

    On 11/8/2017 at 10:42 AM, The1TheOnlyGonzo said:

    An ambulance ride is not part of universal health care therefore one normally does pay for its use unless they have an insurance system to cover it's cost. Saying it is covered by universal healthcare is not true. 

     

    Same with your arguement regarding education. Education is covered up to the age of 18 normally  (some European countries do cover all education) thus you pay or get assistance in paying for college or university. 

     

    Honestly I do not see a point to argue a British or UK standard for a game based in an American State. Furthermore Universal Healthcare wasn't a thing in the US last I checked, HMO was still in use with the joke known as Obamacare 

    Let's be clear.I live in Quebec, Canada

    1) ambulance is part of universal health care here. The flat fee of 150$ is charged even if it's universal
    2) School up to 18 + CEGEP is covered by the government. You still pay fees until school is over. Let's not kid ourselves the fees don't even cover much but they exist. 

    3) The argument about other healthcare isn't about whether they SHOULD or NOT be in identity. It's to show, to someone who might not completely understand that "universal" != no charge and to give you examples in the real world you can draw from. 

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  4. Posted

    @LucazDaKing I feel you dont understand universal health care. 

    You can have a fee and it still be universal.

    I pay for every ambulance pickup..yet its part of the universal healthcare

    I pay for school every year...yet school is unversal (well i dont anymore and before 18 my parents paid)

    British people pay a fee for getting medicine, yet its universal

    Shall I continue?

    You can have unuversal healthcare and have a fee per visit. 

  8. Posted

    5 hours ago, Fabulous said:

    Yeah that's the vibe I am getting.

    Why is everybody defending the game with their dear life?
    Are you that blind to the fact that you have been lied to?
    Am I a bad person for being dissapointed in the fact that I was promised something "soon" for literally years.
    I am not demanding anything I am just bringing up a discussion...
    I am excited for the game but patience wears thin in a certain amount of time.

    I don't think it's defending as much as it gets tiring to hear the same thing. It's like if none of you have seen development before and are surprised. There is nothing new. It's just the reality and I'm stating the facts.
    Welcome to backing an indie startup game's company. (with money or with your time). It's the reality that happens over and over again. 

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    2 hours ago, slovaceck said:

    I was not trying to be offensive, apologies if I was. I just don't understand how you can call this a serious poll if you remove a political party because you receive complaints from their competitors. How is that in any way serious? If they decide to run and people start voting for them, you cannot stop them from running or prevent them from winning because their competitors start complaining about them. That would be like the moderators removing all the other Security Firm's posts in the business thread because I complain about them not being as serious as I am about the game. 

    You have a lot of power here, and I appreciate what you are doing with it, I think this will go far. 

    Just remember that he is not removing them from the ballot, but instead, it's an independent polling company. If they wish to only have certain candidates they may. It just means that they are biased and it's your choice if you want to follow what the polling station does. The criteria being entirely set by them. It is not a government-run "neutral" service. Just wanted to clarify that.  

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  11. Posted

    @JoelKeys Systems similar to that exist in real life. Although said in a manner that can be taken as aggressive, I will try to explain it.

     

    5 hours ago, JoelKeys said:

    First of all, how can you chose to pay for a universal healthcare on a day to day basis? I doubt someone get's out of bed saying "I need to pay $500 to the government because I plan on breaking my leg later!". What if you pay the $500 and don't use it? Does it carry on to the next day? If I pay it one day but don't need medical help until the next day, do I need to pay it again? There are too many holes in this plan. Healthcare cannot be in place for some people but not for others. I also don't know how you can claim it is universal healthcare when it is only available to people who pay. 

     

    So the way that would work, is if you need healthcare for a certain day, you would be charged a flat rate of 500$. This is similar to many universal healthcare systems and different parts of it flat rate dispensing fees etc.
    So the idea is that it's universal in the sense you don't pay depending on your needs. (having to choose between keeping 3 fingers or just sowing 1 back on because the 2 others are too expensive) That's the idea.
     

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    Next, what are your estimates based on? Because I am 100% sure the developers have stated multiple times that money-making will be similar to that of real life, so anyone who can afford to pay $500 per day can afford private healthcare. If you were to educate yourself on how the system works before criticising others for the same thing, I think your little campaign would go a lot smoother

     

    She said what it was based on when replying to me. She must not have seen the part where the devs said the amount it was based on. She was comparing the price to GTA V. That gives a better idea of the estimate but no one knows until the game is released how the economy of the game will act.
     

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    I fail to see how a banquet dinner is categorised as a "basic need". It seems to me like you will use public tax dollars to feed yourself and other members of government, while making people pay $500 per day for healthcare.

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    Small criticism on this point; Employee Morale is huge. People forget that people working for the Government are also humans. Yes, even firemen need to be treated well. Would you want the firemen to be paid the least as possible, just enough so they'll survive because they owe it to you?

    The rest are your opinions of the party.

    Disclaimer: I am not a member of the party I just felt as if you where not understanding and tried to clarify a few things up for you.

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  19. Posted

    @Fabulous To give you an idea.  A simpler, 3D game made from Kickstarter withoutcharacterrender11.png wanting to advertise just want to give an idea...took over 3 years and they are finally releasing alpha. That's just the reality. They too had unrealistic dates at first. It's the largest error one can make.The reality is when you support a game like this, you are taking a risk. You have to be ready for it. This is not a finished game, it's a game that didn't even start yet made by Indies. That leaves a lot of risks and you can't invest your emotions too much into it. Obviously, we can hope, but don't get let down because a KS team is not releasing the game faster or at the speed of large publishers. In the end, it's you that gets hurt the most.

  20. Posted

    @NanoSpace I totally agree, as I've said in other posts, especially with game development, I prefer if they just drop it as a surprise IMO. No promises, just keep the work progress updated and then in one of the dev blogs be like "oh and btw, forgot to mention...we released the next module" etc. That's how I prefer it. But yeah what's done is done. I knew Q1 2017 wasn't going to be ready they didn't seem anything close to it. Hope they will be now because dates are important to stick to, we were now given a date. 

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  22. Posted

    I demand the unified party ask politely :)

    Joking aside...you can ask politely I am sure it will be his pleasure. Being polite in the choice of words tends to get you much further. Just a heads up although im almost certain you didn't mean it that way

     

  23. Posted · Edited by gabzo
    early enter, fixed spacing

    Hi Killed_IRL, welcome to the forums!

    I thought I'd give you a few different links that might be useful! The frequently asked questions can be found in these two links:

    FAQ: http://www.identityrpg.com/community/topic/7-frequently-asked-questions/
    FAQ extended: http://www.identityrpg.com/community/topic/2060-faq-extended/

    You can also find the forum rules: http://www.identityrpg.com/community/topic/8-identity-forum-guidelines/

    Finally, if ever you want to talk to others from the community in real time, feel free to join the discord group which can be found here: https://discordapp.com/invite/MWKTGQK

    I hope that you feel right at home here and can't wait to get to know you a bit more.

  24. Posted

    Although I agree that you can have universal health care and charge fees per visit that is a flat rate (it's used for some things like dispensing fees etc), 500$ for a day worth of Health Care does seem steep, although that is going off from what we know. Of course the exact price and value we'll only know when Identity gets released.