Nudity (Not PRON!)

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17 hours ago, jjustgreg said:

As I stated before, it can differ from country to country. We could very easily talk about "Gun violence" and compare a lot of different countries. As you state "American Adults". I'm not from the US, and not everyone here is from the US.

"I would find it very weird for someone to drunk drive to "troll" since it would make them suffer possibly jail time and a suspended drivers license (if that's a thing)"
Robbing people can get you jailed as well. To think that NOBODY will "Troll" with drunk driving, is extremely naive. Just look at games like GTA:O, people find it funny to drive drunk and try to hold their cars straight. That is also trolling. And the thing you forget, is that servers can pretty much dictate the punishment for things. For example, they could have the nudity settings for all the "Official" servers on "No nudity". Not only that, they could simply say that streaking/trolling can put you X amount of time in jail.

"I really can't see the benefits of adding nudity"
If that's what you think, that's great. You can have your opinion. I can easily say that "I don't see the benefits of adding guns as it can be used to troll people". "I don't see the benefits of adding drugs/alcohol/anything".
Just because a game has features, doesn't mean you're FORCED to use them. It's about adding immersion for people who want that.
Just because YOU won't use it, doesn't mean IT SHOULDN'T be in there.
The "trolling" concerns you have with it, I just told you how easy it is to fix that. Heck, even prevent it, without ignoring the entire feature for everyone.

They could've made an simple "cops and robbers" game, but they added so many features, because the devs know, that even though not all of them will be used perse, it's about giving the players choice.

 

@LordBenji The reason I don't go into further discussion with you is simple. I gave you answers, yet you keep repeating the same thing. Again, I answered your concerns about "Twitch" and "Nudity", yet you choose to ignore that, and again post something from Twitch, which I already gave an answer to.

Yes, in the end it's the DEVS who decide what goes in the game, and what won't. That's why this is in the "Suggestions" section. If you look at the other topics in the "suggestion" section, you will see a buttload of things that "The devs didn't want to put in".
I'm always open to discussion, but if you ignore me AND @Xzothi , then you shouldn't be angry at me, when I see your post as "Not adding to the discussion".
In the end, you and I can have different opinions. You could hate the idea, and I could love it. It doesn't matter. It's about adding things to the conversation. For example, if you hate the idea, give me some arguments as to why adding nudity would be seen as a negative?
I'm not asking for some MMO Porno nonsense, simply adding immersion, and even giving answers as to how they can be implemented, without the game having to suffer from Steam or Twitch. If anything, it would actually drive more people to the game. Some because they want "Tiddies" and some because they like the idea of a sim game with this scale, having the option to choose how far the immersion goes.

 

I used the US since it the record was held there, and it was by no means made to be a good statistical analysis, it was made to show you that there is a major difference, stop trying to invalidate my argument by trying to interpret it as if I was trying to show you that it is exactly this amount, I took america as an example if you are not sissified go do your own analysis and let's see what you find, I would be incredibly surprised if you found a differing result. As for the comparison between gun violence and streaking... gun violence is a big problem in the US right now because of the culture and laws, streaking not so much, maybe they have a bigger interest in it since they enjoy sports more? but the US is also quite happy when it comes to drinking and driving this is biased towards you since they are 4th on most drinking and driving in the world (percentage wise). Please next time you respond use statistics/facts or logic, instead of making petty attempts at trying to throw common fallacies without looking if they are correct or not.

Robbing people and driving drunk is not even close to the same thing. GTA and this game is vastly different, this game is supposed to be realistic and gta is supposed to be fun, even if you go on a RP server this will be the case because the game itself was made to be fun. I don't think people will go drive drunk to troll as much as people will with streaking because it's much easier, to drunk drive you first need a car to do it with, to streak you just take all your clothes of and start running around. "And the thing you forget, is that servers can pretty much dictate the punishment for things." Of course you could make it harsher but that wouldn't be realistic, I also said this: "This addition of nudity is only going to create trouble for communities that don't want people streaking as well, since it would mean they would have to police that on top of everything else." adding an option to turn it off is just more work for developers which connects me to my next point STOP, STOP, STOP, making these horrible comparisons, me saying I don't believe in the benefit of adding nudity is not without reasoning, I was saying that the resources necessary to make this could be spent on much more important and better things, as this would just be weird and potentially trouble creating as this might create a culture of sex, rape e.t.c. which could get bad press about the game, even if there is an option to turn it off. And if you the player finds it inappropriate and weird/annoying turning it off won't help the attention seeking streakers or weird naked people.

"Just because YOU won't use it, doesn't mean IT SHOULDN'T be in there." Since we're taking logic as opinions now: just because YOU will use it, doesn't mean IT SHOULD be in there.
I get what you're trying to say "more features => better" but that isn't the case, instead of adding nudity they could add more guns or make the guns feel better e.t.c. something people would consider more important and would create a better game, most really good games out there do one thing or a few things really good, while most bad games with big budgets try doing a lot of things and therefor fail miserably because the game becomes less fun, this is basic game design.

Now I guess I'll chime in on the twitch discussion: Since the game will have drugs, weapons, murder e.t.c it's already a very adult game, if you add nudity on top of it that might make the game not allowed for twitch, if you wanna take examples like Conan exiles, let me take an example: yandare simulator, it has no nudity and still is banned... why? because it features killing students a main aspect of the game (while not true that's their reasoning), and twitch has recently become more strict with this, so if you add nudity on top of it that might become a problem even with an option to turn it on and off, especially since there might be some streaking/rape/sex going on twitch might just pull the plug to avoid bad press or losing sponsors.

Now adding nudity might increase popularity, I don't know if you know this but a lot of people that are hyped for identity are not edgy, horny teens, if they see this weird stuff going on in things like compilations they might consider the game too weird for them. 

Now to add another point on the discussion:
What about people that want to turn it off but get their immersion ruined because someone is RP:ing naked but on your screen they have boxers or trousers on?

Now I feel like telling you a bit about myself:
I have Skyrim and Fallout 4, I mod the crap out of them, this includes mods with nudity and I find it more immersive/fun and so I would probably enjoy some RP situations that could arise but I'm not arguing for myself but rather what would be best for the game as I would find it a lot more fun to have more people and most likely mature people RP:ing seriously than having a few funny interactions with nudity.

Now before you say "if people don't find censored nudity immersive just turn it on", some people might not find it enjoyable seeing dicks flopping all over the place, and other might be in a living room around other people. Would you like your mom or dad seeing you playing a game with a nude characters?

 

[Is my pc good enough]

I know I'm a bit late but since I saw it and looking as you didn't get any good answers, I can vaguely say yes, since the 1060 6gb is a really good card and most games run much harder on the gpu than cpu. Also you only have a 9% bottleneck so you should definitely be fine with the running part, maybe not highest setting but I'd expect at least roughly medium settings (whatever that means) on 1080p if not more, comparing to similar looking games.

[Used gtx 1070 searched 350-400 dollar]

On 2018-03-13 at 3:54 PM, Trisword said:

good luck, gpu's are all extreemly expensive or non existent at the moment because of the bitcoin miners

 

It's most likely not bitcoin miners, if there really was a shortage Nvidia and AMD could just make more graphics cards, but since they probably gain from the increase in cost they are just gonna enjoy the situation while everyone thinks it's bitcoin miners, at least that's what a lot of experts are saying.

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18 hours ago, jjustgreg said:

Now you're taking personal experience and translate it to reality. I've never seen a drunk driver in my life, however I have seen streakers. Does this mean that drunk driving shouldn't be in the game, because I personally have seen more streakers than drunk drivers? Is it rarer in statistics? I couldn't say, as it really differs from country to country.

We are both right and wrong at the same time when it comes to this. I respect your point of view and I'm happy you chime into the conversation, that's important, so thank you :3.

@yaxy123 You can't say that for sure. People could roleplay as a streaker, and to say that "drunk driving" has no intention to troll, then you are half right. Sure some don't do it to troll, but with any game that includes the ability to drink drunk, people will do it even knowing they could Randomly kill people. So yes, and no.

 

@LordBenji If you're not going to use arguments but use "if you want X then go do X". It shows lack of maturity.

 

 

The record of most streakers at once was with 1,543 streakers at University of Georgia in 1974, the annual self-reported alcohol-impaired driving among american adults 2014 was 111 million that would be roughly 300,000 in a day or 3 EVERY SECOND if we look at in a day compared to the record that would have a factor of roughly 200. While this isn't the greatest statistical evidence it still shows a massive difference in how common they are. I would use better data if I could find any statistics on annual streaking but that doesn't seem to be common enough to collect data on.

I would find it very weird for someone to drunk drive to "troll" since it would make them suffer possibly jail time and a suspended drivers license (if that's a thing), while streaking might get you a fine, making it much more doable.
This addition of nudity is only going to create trouble for communities that don't want people streaking as well, since it would mean they would have to police that on top of everything else.

I really can't see the benefits of adding nudity and the developers as well since they haven't even considered it. Also if you're going to criticize how James argued, let me give you some constructive feedback on how to discuss, not argue since that is with an objective of winning. Address every point made by the counter arguing person otherwise he will have to repeat himself and you will look like you're "arguing" in bad faith.

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@jjustgregThe problem here is the intention, when someone is streaking (running around naked) they're most likely doing it to troll. Drunk driving on the other hand is more realistic and something that actually happens and the intention isn't to troll.

Also, where would you have an RP situation that would be improved by nudity? the only reason I can think of is immersion, so for example a showering scene but in this case you would probably only model the back of the character since some might find nudity awkward and weird censored or not. You also gotta take into consideration that this will cost money as well as take time, money and time that could be spent on other more important things.

Then you also gotta think of whether it is fun for the cops to chase this person down, if I were a cop I would rather chase a drunk driver than deal with some annoying streaker.