Beach Ball Has Left

[Beach Ball Has Left]

Just now, Cstove said:

Wow you are very late on this.

 

I know I am late, because for anyone not in the Discord this has been unspoken of. Hence why I am making a post, lots of us probably don't know because we aren't in the Discord.

[Beach Ball Has Left]

I didn't know until I joined the discord and asked the members, so for those of you who aren't aware, @Beach_Ball has left Asylum. Here is his message.

 

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Beach_Ball09/14/2018 o wow, thanks for all the hearts  I spent most of the day tying up loose ends where I could, and wrote a huge document for john and sean about things that should be looked at/attended to. Mostly recommendations, stream stuff etc. I can't for some reason remove my CM role, so Motown will do it later  Thanks for everything everyone, it's been great! You might see me again in the future   but for now, I'll be heading out! See you!

 

I removed the emoji's ass they are huge on the forums. What are your thoughts on this? I find it concerning but I am curious to hear your thoughts.

[You own it, it's all on you...]

8 hours ago, Negan said:

Exactly why I didn't pay for this shit yet. Sure I'm excited for it. and I respect the hell out of the people who are making this- but people gotta realize that shit takes time. This whole "Refund me because I don't like the progress so far" nonsense is just- Nonsense if you were to ask me.

 

How is that nonsense? We invested in the idea, if we don't like the progress so far or the direction the game is going, obviously we will withdraw our investment. 

[You own it, it's all on you...]

1 minute ago, dagtag said:

just read what I tried to explain. as long as the tracker gets updated manually they will need to regularly update to let people know the information is up to date even if there is no visual change. If the task tracker were to update automatically there wouldn't be a need for this anymore

 

But it's misleading. It claims there was an update 22 hours ago, when there was not an update 22 hours ago. Updating it is not the same as letting us know it is up to date. For something to update, it requires a change to have been made. If a change was not made, it wasn't updated. All that tracker does is tell us when someone last checked it, not when it was last updated. Why are they doing this? Because saying 'updated 22 hours ago' looks better than 'updated 3 months ago.'

[You own it, it's all on you...]

6 minutes ago, dagtag said:

The timer isn't manually set... the timer displays when the content inside of the task tracker was last changed... the task tracker gets updated manually

 

The tracker currently says last updated 22 hours ago. What was changed 22 hours ago to warrant an update?

[ur new cheif]

8 minutes ago, Genesai said:

When you write "chief" wrong two out of three times, I think I'll pass. You're about ready for elementary school though.

 

This is clearly a troll, how can you not tell?

[You own it, it's all on you...]

2 minutes ago, Ghost0fDawn said:

What is this, reasonable discussion between two people with different views on the internet? thats not allowed!

Joking aside, one thing I personally feel about a lot of the refund scares people jump into for many different reasons, is often silly. Its true that you should know what youre getting into before backing the game. That said, its really not *purchasing* the game, its an investment in the development of the game proposed. I have the impression that some do not fully understand this, and jump to think their money is being stolen and they were scammed because they dont have anything yet. Its complete fallacy. Investment inherently means chance of loss, we arent guaranteed that identity will succeed or come out. Things happen and things fail, but if everyone that funded the game in the first place jumped for refunds and bankrupted the project, of course its more likely to fail.

Early acces titles have spoiled gamers with "pay now, get it now" because of early access. Truth be told you end up playing a botched half of a game and get bored and move on long before you have even truly got what you paid for. This reason alone is why I have a bit more faith in Identity, modules to gove us a taste of whats to come without totally squandering what the whole experience should be but in a broken and incomplete state.

 

I suppose there is a lot of people who took this is a purchase rather than investment. I appreciate you two actually talking and explaining now, before it seemed like I was just getting shooed off the thread for disagreeing. Not saying it was you two in particular, but it's nice to have a discussion rather than an argument.

[You own it, it's all on you...]

37 minutes ago, Veeblefetzer said:

Nobody is saying you don’t have a right to be annoyed and nobody is saying you don’t have the right to voice your opinions. It’s how those opinions are expressed in this forum that concerns me. There are new potential players that come through this site everyday. For new prospects to read these negative posts and have their minds made up without seeing the polished and finished product, I think is unfair. Voice your opinion, but maybe craft your posts in a fashion that gives a positive twist on  constructive criticism without detouring potential players. A successful game title needs as many players as they can get. Assuming that you as a fellow player would want that as well?  You know, more populated servers, thus more people to play with. Of course there are going to be those here whose sole intent is to sabotage the entire project, I don’t believe that is the motive for all of the negative comments. It just seems to be the same negative content being posted over and over, with a tone of incessant whining. No matter what you’re always going to have your trolls, and those that just have to win an argument. 

 

You know what I actually agree with this, thank you. 

[You own it, it's all on you...]

20 minutes ago, dagtag said:

I kind of agree with both you and the topic creator on this one, it is true that you get to complain about certain things. However there are people who are asking for refunds once it gets delayed, and to those it does apply that they need to take their time before pledging because complaining is one thing but asking for a refund on the slightest delay is another.

also there are people who have said they committed crimes .

My opinion on all of this is, you have some concerns, voice them, that's all fine. You like the idea behind the project, debate whether you will pledge or not. But once you do pledge, don't give up on them at the slightest delay. and if you do ask for a refund and its not given to you right away, don't go spreading lies about asylum.  

 

Well I kind of agree but also disagree. You might invest in the idea but change your mind once you see where the project is going, and I don't think there is anything wrong with that. Although I do agree, refunding for a delay is pretty dumb. You seem very sensible and level headed, thanks for your opinion.

[You own it, it's all on you...]

You are right. It is our choice to invest, but why do you think that means we can't be annoyed when our expectations aren't met? You have every right to cancel dinner plans with your wife, that doesn't mean she cannot be annoyed at you for it. This is what you need to get into your head, no one is saying Asylum have committed any crimes. No one is saying that Asylum HAVE to listen to us. We chose to invest in a project, and if we aren't happy with the way that project is going, we can be annoyed at that. You are ignorant to blatant facts, which is that the developers of this game have failed on many levels, and while we understood this could happen coming in, that doesn't mean we have to just bend over and take it. We can voice that we are incredibly frustrated. The developers agree with me! Here is a quote directly from beachball to me in private messages.

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Users like you who are critical and levelheaded about development are extremely valuable. You push us to better deliver on the expectations of the community and you allow us to see things from the perspective of the backer. With this, I thank you for continuing to be an active member in the community who provides both constructive criticism and commentary on Identity's development process!

Look, I am not getting into another debate here. I'm not attacking the developers, I am not personally attacking you, I am just tired of the people who think that because we were aware of the risks coming in and chose to back anyway, that automatically means we cannot be annoyed when expectations aren't met.

[Shady Inc - Defense Lawyers]

On 16/09/2018 at 3:37 PM, jeppevinkel said:

The only thing changed by an officer not reading out the rights, is that nothing you say can be used as evidence against you in trial. However it can be spun to show the officers lack of training and misconduct, which can be used in the defendants favor, since it will lessen the confidence in the cops work.

The exact outcome on such a situation is hard to determine from the given info, as there are lots of factors, but the act of not reading the rights alone won't dismiss the validity of a case. The only affect it has by law is that the cop can't use statements from the subject as evidence, and can't use any evidence obtained through the information gotten by the subject.

I hope this answered the question.

 

Best regards
Jepp
Shady Inc

 

This shows you have a basic understanding of how the law works. I am involved with law in real life, and if you knew how many people online think that failure to mirandize your suspect automatically results in the entire case being thrown out, you'd laugh.  

[R u Kiddin us??]

11 hours ago, Veeblefetzer said:

Yes because you have the crystal ball that nobody else has and only JoelKeys knows what everything means...

 

You guys are the ones implying you have inside knowledge, I'm saying we don't know so don't be frustrated at people who don't praise the devs 

[R u Kiddin us??]

Just now, dagtag said:

with some companies it wouldn't mean anything, however, we do know that asylum didn't hand in their build to steam with a reason, they wanted to hand it in once it was almost ready. so actually we do know that this is a big step in the right direcion

 

We don't know that. We have been told that. Just like we have been told many things. 

[R u Kiddin us??]

Just now, Cstove said:

So what? Means we are almost there.  Beach and Motown our working on getting photos and a vid for the steam store page. Big steps in the right direction.

 

It doesn't mean that. That's what you think it means. This could take god knows how long, stop being a brown noser. They could have handed these keys out 5 months ago, it doesn't make a difference.

[R u Kiddin us??]

Just now, HairyGrenade said:

We're getting closer, which is why steam keys were released. So you can have it activated on your account ready to go

 

You're preaching to the converted. I am personally very happy with the progress, but I understand why some people may not be.

[R u Kiddin us??]

20 minutes ago, Cstove said:

Smh... you can get your steam key now.

 

I appreciate the steam keys but so what? It's literally nothing, doesn't even show up in your library. Just because we are moving doesn't mean we are going somewhere. I can fully understand why he is still frustrated

[Can we please have some honesty and transparency?]

On 05/09/2018 at 2:55 AM, Paratus said:

This is very much the case. When it comes to the SWAT module, the mechanics are actually quite simple to create in comparison to the back-end that is the Town Square. The Town Square is just a social module but there's a LOT going on behind the scenes. It is our foundation. 

Even with my own position, I understand the discontent completely. People are looking for some depth and words only go so far.

The reason we haven't shown off a lot is two-fold: first, the majority of the work going into the Town Square is back-end and foundation work. It's grueling work which unfortunately isn't fun to look at. It's the first bit we need to take care of, but it's not something we can show in a visual sense. Furthermore, giving detailed information on the inner-workings of our foundation code can actually do harm when that information falls into the laps of the wrong people.

The second issue is one of psychology. Anyone who's been following games for much time can attest to the fact that first impressions are the only ones which matter for most people. This doesn't apply to everyone, but it does for the VAST majority of people; even if people understand something is a work-in-progress when they get their hands on it, the impression they get from that experience will persist.

Fortunately, we're coming to the end of the worst wait in this. I know you've heard something like this before, so it's likely taken lightly, but it's looking quite up right now. In fact, we're not far from handing out the Steam keys to prepare for a Steam launch. Our earlier estimates were well off the mark because we ran into some pretty significant issues with the engine. Keep in mind we have a HEAVILY modified version of Unreal Engine 4. We've done some pretty large changes to accommodate a real MMORPG.

I wish it hasn't taken this long, but we're committed to doing this right. We're not going to take shortcuts and release a product which isn't up to our standards. The wait is almost over and you're going to be getting some fun updates quite soon.

 

Fair enough, my problem isn't with you though, it's with the community members. I admit you guys could have handled this better, but I am not annoyed at you for it. I am annoyed at the few die hard fans who aren't willing to admit any fault on your behalf. 

[Can we please have some honesty and transparency?]

21 hours ago, silentunion said:

It's not that people are brainwashed. It's that some people have more patience than others. Because some people don't agree with you, they are brainwashed? Perhaps some people are brainwashed here because they've had everything handed to them on a silver platter via the larger gaming companies, so when it comes to times like these, they whine and complain about a nail being broken or something. However, I'm sure you'd rather not be considered brainwashed either, so why not just understand that people have different opinions?

Anyway, I think what's really happening here is that some people don't understand the development process. You don't just simply create a game and people play it. The development process is long and tedious. I do think they could use a little more transparency; however, it's also a small company and that transparency would likely be really REALLY boring, especially if there's not much new to report.

 

Fair enough. I apologise. I believe what I said but should have worded it better, I am just fed up of people wondering why everyone is so annoyed. I am not going to retract my statement about brainwashed people. I am not talking about people who disagree with me, because I actually agree with both sides. I am referring to the people who absolutely refuse to admit any fault on Asylums part and draw every lie and suspicious action down to us 'not being patient' or 'game development takes time'.

No one is saying you just make a game and people play it, but after 3 years we expect a little bit more than what we seem to be getting.

[Come On... Really?]

1 minute ago, Cstove said:

This exactly what it means!

 

How on earth do you know what he means? Do you have some information none of us do?

1 minute ago, Cstove said:

Well it is so.  You should really do a little bit more reading or ask a mod before you freak out spreading false info.

 

You need to climb out of their asses. I am taking it at face value. He specifically says 

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 This means you'll be able to walk around each apartment to see what they look like without any user-placed furniture.

Why would there be user placed furniture when buying an apartment anyway? You have absolutely no idea what he meant, and if he comes out and says that I am right you will come up with another excuse instead of apologising. You developer fanboys are really getting annoying.

[Come On... Really?]

1 minute ago, xDiPnDoTz said:

I assume this means like preview each one before you actually purchase/buy it. Whereas you could still customize your own if you do decide to buy one. Buts that is just my take on it.

 

I sure well hope so.

[Come On... Really?]

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Town Square will feature the ability to preview apartments in their standalone form. This means you'll be able to walk around each apartment to see what they look like without any user-placed furniture. We'll probably be able to get screenshots of them out at some point prior to Town Square's launch too. In the meantime, Jade did stream a number of apartments a few months back that showcased their floorplans, and we also got to see a section of the Penthouse in Dev Blog 19.

Beach ball, Friday at 9:53

[Come On... Really?]

Guys come on. We were told apartment customisation was going to be a thing in the TS module, I know for a fact we were because it was the feature I was most excited about. I have talked about it before. Now we are being told you won't be able to customise anything in your apartment but you can explore the base standard apartments? This is just going back on your word AGAIN. Come on!

 

[Patience is not simply the ability to wait, it's how we behave while we're waiting.]

17 hours ago, Veeblefetzer said:

Your expectation level isn't on par with investing into crowd funding, kick starter or early access projects. You might want to re-think this type of activity and stick with post beta, full release titles.

 

So again, instead of addressing any points you spin it round by shifting the blame onto me. I know what I am in for, I haven't refunded and wouldn't consider doing so. I am personally okay with the waiting, but I can't stand the people like yourself who just brown nose the developers. I know the developers work hard and I respect them and appreciate that they are a small company on their first project. However I also know that the developers have messed up a lot on this project, and while I am fine to forgive to an extent and I am perfectly fine continuing to back them financially, I appreciate that the mistakes and mess ups on the developers behalf are negatively effecting their fan base, and that is not the fault of the community. You can support something while still admitting fault in it. 

Look I have difficulty putting my thoughts into words so in short, I am being patient and I am okay with waiting and supporting the developers, but supporting the developers isn't mutually exclusive with calling them out when they mess up. I am sticking up for the people complaining because I understand why they are annoyed and upset, and in my opinion, while I am not going to just straight up attack the developers, I think the amount of whining is a result of their own doing and it is completely warranted. I do not like posts like this calling out the ones complaining because 'they are kids' or 'they have no idea how game development works'. We have game developers on these forums and most (if not all) agree that Asylum have handled this whole thing horribly. It's immature people like you who resort to ad hominem to try and boost yourselves above those complaining by acting like you have this next level of patience and experience. You don't. You can admit that the developers aren't handling this well, and continue to support them.

[Patience is not simply the ability to wait, it's how we behave while we're waiting.]

7 hours ago, Alwynn said:

Nowadays, we have almost everything, at the push of a button. You want food? Click here.You wan't a car? Click here. With all this instant gratification readily available, it eliminates the need to develop patience. Of course, this is consequence for it. You have a whole lot of people who can't wait for anything because they're use to having everything now and if they don't have it now, they throw a temper tantrum. Just my take on the issue. I'll finish drinking my coffee now.

 

I'm done with this superiority complex that some of you have. Being patient is one thing, but you cannot just abuse the patience of your customers. We have been patient, but you can only be patient for so long before you are just a push over. Most people understood the first delay. A lot of people understood the second delay. Some people understood the third. Every time you fail to deliver on a promise, you lose peoples respect and you lose peoples patience. If the developers stuck to their word, we wouldn't have all these people complaining. We have waited. We have been patient, and the developers took advantage of our patience and now what we have are people who can put two and two together and see something fishy is going on. I can give you a list of dodgy things that seem to be happening here, but you will continue giving excuses on behalf of the developers and you will continue blaming my criticisms on me being a 'kid' when you have no idea how old I am. You ever hear the saying 'Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me'?

People (for the most part) are not complaining about the wait, if we were waiting three years for something worthwhile then there wouldn't be an issue. We have been waiting for three years for a tiny portion of a very large game. You can pretend you know more than everyone else or you have this next level of patience, the truth is you are being a push over. You are the immature one here, not the people complaining. You can disagree with the impatience, but any person with any level of competence should at least understand why people are getting annoyed. The developers for this game have continued to give out false promises/blatant lies, they have been caught plagiarising, they banned a member of the forums who shared their concerns, they have a community manager who (with all due respect) only actually replies to the threads requesting a refund, and they heavily moderate threads which call them out on all of this shit. Have we ever even had an apology for any of it? Have they ever compensated us for any of it? Maybe a 'Sorry we have to delay again, here is a short video showcasing what we have so far so hopefully you aren't too disappointed'? Or is that too much to ask? What have we actually received for the three year wait? Two game play videos and a couple of glorified teaser trailers?

I have presented you with a real case here. Do yourself a favour and get off your high horse and actually address this with a response that doesn't spurt the same phrases that all of the cultists on the forums use. Don't come off with shit excuses like 'Game development takes time', or 'You just need more patience'. Give me a real response. Address my points. I am going to do my due diligence. I am going to message plenty of professionals to provide statements which back up the fact that the work these developers are doing is sub-par at best. I know Asylum work hard. But unfortunately they aren't listening. They only actually reply to the threads which call them out, which means that people feel the need to call them out if they want a response. Admit for once that none of this is as a result of a bad community, but horrible community management. 

[Can we please have some honesty and transparency?]

7 hours ago, wiebley said:

I think its approaching truth time Asylum,

 

 

April 20th 2018 - No release but only a 'Quite Minor' and 'short lived' delay.

- Fair enough, more bugs can be found when fixing/diagnosing initial bugs etc. But with the amount of fixes that was needed before TS module was released, there is no way this could have ever been viewed as a 'short lived' process... A flipping tracker was made to keep track of the list! Not to mention breaking this to the eagerly awaiting community just 4 days shy of the release. You must have know over a month before that this was not going to make that deadline. 

 

June 6th 2018 - No release, but we are 'approaching release of the town square'

- Most people have realised the initial bugs diagnosed on April 20th were bigger than the devs initially thought, but hey! It's almost here! Thats great!

 

July 10th 2018 - No release, but gameplay is 'nearing release'! 

- Really? Havn't we heard that one before?

 

August 30th 2018 - No release, but 'We're moving forward quite quickly right now'. 

- Of course... 

 

The main point I am coming to here is that we have been bullshitted for long enough. It's time to shit or get off the pot. Asylum, please be realistic with your community, everyone is completely fed up of hearing 'its almost here!' to the point that these words are entirely meaningless! Every time that phrase or similar is dropped, it is becoming less and less believable. 

 

If its going to take another 3 months, just tell us! Be honest! It won't be as bad as you think! 

 

If you are confident it is nearing release... think of your date, add 2 weeks to it, 3 to be safer, then announce it! If it arrives early, great!

 

 

I agree with you here and you have made a genuine criticism, but a lot of the people here are brainwashed and won't see this as a genuine criticism.