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[Marie-Clare Bouchard For Governor! (FN)]

11 minutes ago, gabzo said:

Ambulances are covered by the health insurance but I won't get into it

Don't forget that Quebec also pays for post-secondary education, different then the rest of Canada but the same rules apply. You still have fees to go to school

As for how much the game will allow (I think it'll allow more then you give credit for)  or more importantly how much it SHOULD allow (game politics is different by nature) is up to you and that's your own decision. I am just stating the fact that you can pay for something even if it's "universal" such as health care. The rest I'm not arguing for or against I'm not the one running, let the ones who are doing the talking.

That being said, remember that although it's based on the USA it's virtual and practically it's own thing. It won't necessarily be the USA nor reflect the reality (else it'd be boring)

Thank you for the reply, and let's not get into Quebec lol. 

I do hope it does allow for radical spectrum of Government policy and regulation (totalitarianism to anarchism if possible, even a junta or junkta or whatever it is called would be interesting) but I am positive there will be limitations. Especially in the beginning.  I imagine it may be difficult for some of these policies that this political groups and others have to be established in the beginning weeks of the game.

Maybe I am pessimistic in my look here, so I understand if you or others have a different view on the launch of the game. 

[!!BREAKING!! Maurice Clinton has DROPPED]

What did they do to be banned?! 

[Marie-Clare Bouchard For Governor! (FN)]

10 hours ago, gabzo said:

Let's be clear.I live in Quebec, Canada

1) ambulance is part of universal health care here. The flat fee of 150$ is charged even if it's universal
2) School up to 18 + CEGEP is covered by the government. You still pay fees until school is over. Let's not kid ourselves the fees don't even cover much but they exist. 

3) The argument about other healthcare isn't about whether they SHOULD or NOT be in identity. It's to show, to someone who might not completely understand that "universal" != no charge and to give you examples in the real world you can draw from. 

An Ambulance ride is not technically a service under universal healthcare. In Ontario, Canada, we have universal healthcare and this is not a service under OHIP. OHIP will help with costs for it and thus we do get a fee or around $45, but it is not a service of universal healthcare. It is a service normally funded by the hospital and it's donation system. 

Schooling is covered up to the age of 18, yes you are right. Normally that age is met toward the end of high school. These are normally paid through taxes though. I don't think I have heard of education fees, idk what Liberal Ontario is honestly doing now with education. So you may be right now regarding that too. 

I do apologize with how I worded myself in my final little paragraph.  I did not mean to say you should not argue other countries concepts and regulations of universal healthcare, and for that I am sorry.

What I meant to argue was I am not sure how much we can truly take from these systems as this fictional state that these political groups wish to govern is based in a non-fictional country where universal healthcare isn't established. I don't believe one will be able to truly establish a universal healthcare-like system on Identity.  Perhaps outside of the game, yes, but I have doubts that there will be a system in game allowing for that.  Again I apologize for how poorly I worded this earlier. 

[Fair Market Merchant Bureau]

1 hour ago, Xilvius said:

We believe in free markets. Meaning there is no limit to your success or failure. If your business goes under, it goes under. If you are participating in our program we will do our best to advertise your business to the masses, but ultimately your success or failure is entirely in your own hands.

Thank you very much, and I do agree with you 100% 

[Marie-Clare Bouchard For Governor! (FN)]

59 minutes ago, Micky_Tohmpson said:

What are you trying to say?

I believe he is trying to point out that a banquet dinner is not a basic need.

Most banquet dinners that I have been to were normally set up by volunteer groups within the community and have no financial resourcing from the local government. With that being said the volunteer groups do normally work with the local governing body for setting up a community location, promotion of the event, etc. Most financial resourcing does come the community itself tho, and not the governing body. 

I don't see a banquet dinner as a basic need the government needs to fund, but the community themselves should show their appreciation themselves. Just my opinion on this tho. 

 

 

[Marie-Clare Bouchard For Governor! (FN)]

1 hour ago, JoelKeys said:

It is a game based in a FICTIONAL American state. Stop treating the game like the laws and systems are already set in stone, we have the opportunity to correct the mess that is the American society in this game. 

I understand this is a fictional state, however I have doubts there will be no set laws and systems already in place when the games starts. 

It seems redundant to start with a lawless community and then to build the foundations of a government. There most likely will be a prefab government system in place which the state government will adapt upon. After all it is and FICTIONAL state in a NON-FICTIONAL country....

Perhaps instead of jumping on me, claiming I am being too realistic and take a step back yourself friend. 

Furthermore I was debating someone else's points regarding systems in real life, so how am I going to far? 

[Fair Market Merchant Bureau]

This seems very interesting. 

How would you deal with a failing business? Would there be a liquidation process or a bailout system in play for the market? 

[Marie-Clare Bouchard For Governor! (FN)]

2 hours ago, gabzo said:

@LucazDaKing I feel you dont understand universal health care. 

You can have a fee and it still be universal.

I pay for every ambulance pickup..yet its part of the universal healthcare

I pay for school every year...yet school is unversal (well i dont anymore and before 18 my parents paid)

British people pay a fee for getting medicine, yet its universal

Shall I continue?

You can have unuversal healthcare and have a fee per visit. 

An ambulance ride is not part of universal health care therefore one normally does pay for its use unless they have an insurance system to cover it's cost. Saying it is covered by universal healthcare is not true. 

 

Same with your arguement regarding education. Education is covered up to the age of 18 normally  (some European countries do cover all education) thus you pay or get assistance in paying for college or university. 

 

Honestly I do not see a point to argue a British or UK standard for a game based in an American State. Furthermore Universal Healthcare wasn't a thing in the US last I checked, HMO was still in use with the joke known as Obamacare 

[Name the World]

The State Of Roseport, after all it is a simply a state within the United States right? 

 

Pretty sure the world is just our own essentially, aka Earth. 

 

[The Rare Breed]

13 hours ago, gabzo said:

There is more than just gangland videos. 

Do a quick google search as i dont want to post links. Becareful with names that already exist is all. 

Thank you! 

[The Rare Breed]

1 hour ago, Narc said:

Ill be honest i never saw an episode of Rare Breed MC on Gangland, only "Breed MC" and the way you described them to be -

Rare Breed MC is a real club that was established in 1989 and have Charters and Chapters all over the world. They claim they are against drugs, violence,  and breaking the law. Perhaps look up clubs before you try to make one and not become a copy cat, opening an unsanctioned and stolen idea. "

Is definatley different to how gangland perceived them, and also the patch is completely different so I am unsure whether this is the MC you're talking about or not, because if it is, the patch and name are different, so technically he wouldn't be copying.

Well the arguement is done now, but with the statement on gangland. Gangland is one of the worst shows because they will always portray any gang, Mob,  MC,  etc, as the most dangerous threat to America or the world. 

My statements regarding Rare Breed are taken directly from their website and their about the club section. www.rarebreedmc.com 

Gangland always claim everyone they cover is the most dangerous, so you shouldn't take them as fact, they are far from it  

[The Rare Breed]

@Cpag I am sorry for derailing the thread. Perhaps in the future add some imagery to your Original Post to allow those interested in your club to learn more and get to know your operation more. Just a thought tho, and again good luck. I will stop flooding this thread.

[The Rare Breed]

15 minutes ago, Dominic_ said:

Yeah no doubt its not a bad trait to fight for what you agree in, just the insults seemed a little bit far   

Technically they were too far, I easily could have worded myself better. 

[The Rare Breed]

5 minutes ago, Dominic_ said:

Sorry if it seems so, if you scroll up I did make a reply around when it started, but didn't expect it to continue this far haha

No need to apologize bud, I was the one pushing the arguement technically,  Rare Breed was simply trying to defend himself. I simply should have worded myself in a more neutral way. 

[The Rare Breed]

5 minutes ago, Cpag said:

I also apologize 

All good, we both got passionate and were willing to fight for what we believe in. No need to apologize there 

[The Rare Breed]

7 minutes ago, Dominic_ said:

This has gotten a bit far... The dude was only advertising his club for a game that's coming out and you're calling him retarded for it.  I think the mods should get rid of your posts as you have taken this way too far for seemingly no reason

You are a little late to the party bud lol

[The Rare Breed]

9 minutes ago, Cpag said:

Now that was the way it should have been taken care of in the beginning...i understand your point completely..believe it or not I ran a Motorcycle club called 10K stood for One of a kind but was shut down by the outlaws up.here in PA maybe I will just usr that name here but i didn't cuz I looked at it as a fail 

Lol again I apologize, I am passionate about biker culture as I have been part of it since birth. Sometimes I can become too blunt or passionate about my arguement,  but that really isn't an excuse to the way I was wording myself there. 

[The Rare Breed]

10 minutes ago, Cpag said:

I do I lived in my mother's basement lol...i can say this I hope your given this speech to other 25 stolen names 

Oh I have for the most part however the one you referred to above (MurderINC) has been defunct since the death of Al Capone in the late 60s. Most Mafia names or titles are from defunct families. Most family names aren't copy written due to when they were used. 

 

Honestly I am not trying to shit on you (although I can see why you would think I am lol), but my primary intention is to make sure none of us (the fan base) jeopardize Identity and Asylum over things we would normal see as trivial with other developers.  

 

Like with my example of Rockstar and HA, I am pleased HA stepped up and legally went after Rockstar. For too long the Housers have thought they are untouchable, and now they are realising it lol. 

I don't want to see that happen to Asylum. It is probable that it won't happen ever, but there is that chance of error. To me, it isn't worth the risk considering the game is barely off the ground.  

 

Regardless you can do as you please and run your club under the name you choose. I suggest just being weary of giving someone the ability to look to seek liability from Asylum. 

I will stop arguing and if Mods want, they may remove all my posts before this. 

I do wish you luck. 

[The Rare Breed]

45 minutes ago, Cpag said:

Jesus now this all makes sense lol your one of those guys who lives in his mom's basement n is only recognized in media outlets like this lol thread counts mean everything to someone like you haha any way not to get your panties in a bunch of hurt your "internet" status lol there are many diffrent forms that used the name Rare Breed and for your info it's from a 1966 movie first and for the fact of you trying to scare the devs your "buddies" lol can't be sued because we are "The Rare Breed" and your lil motorcycle gang is Rare Breed..see what I did there lol a simply "The" makes a big difference in copy right infringement so know your shit first and go troll somebody else "threads"

Lol bold assumptions and trivial arguements that wouldn't hold up in a court, that is your reasoning.... well done. 

 

"The" won't matter when your name is a direct copy of theirs but hey whatever, if you are willing to risk Asylum and the time they have put into it because your clubs name is that needed for you to be part of Identity, and you don't mind leaving them liable, so be it. 

 

What a sad arguement.  So with you logic, someone could copy Nike, and put "The" in front of the name, and at that point Nike has no grounds? How well versed you are in law.... 

This isn't a scare tactics for the devs or anything, lol I am simply being realistic. Asylum has around $800,000 in revenue, where Rockstar has Billions. Rockstar was sued by Hells Angels for over 2 Million Dollars. Rockstar can survive this because they are a million dollar developer, Asylum would probably lose it all simply paying for legal assistance over an extended period of time. 

 

Are you seriously willing to risk Asylum and the game Identity just because you have a stick up your ass over a copy written name? This is why you an arrogant little child, because you cannot even grasp that basic thought. Instead you are so handicapped to the idea, your response is "sue me"....

Go fuck off and die now child. 

 

Also lastly that comment about me living in my mother's basement is very detailed, and I can assume you speak from experience. 

[The Rare Breed]

45 minutes ago, Cpag said:

If you knew the breed then you would know that's not there image lol yea the gangland episode must of done it lol what do I know your clearly the one correcting everybody's threads 

Mainly just your thread bud. Calm down with your whole 6 posts bud lol. If I was correcting everyone I doubt I would have any reputation here, but clearly you have the answers for everything, including this community you joined within the past 24 Hours.  

 

If you could fucking read, I stated that MCs don't like people using their NAME AND IMAGE, but again argue a redundant point about nonsense again please. 

 

[The Rare Breed]

22 minutes ago, Cpag said:

Exactly...and I do know the history of clubs and also know these guys aint playing video games and worried about lil old me lol but honeslty i went n looked at that guys posts n seen that all he pretty much does is bitch

Lmao clearly you are stupid. Simply tried to give you the heads up about Motorcycle clubs are going after the developers who allow their images to be used in their games, and your response is, "they arent playing..."

 

Are you that retarded? Do you think Hells Angels were playing GTA and that is why they sued? No they were informed thier image and brand were being used without their permission. You cleary are a retard if you have no care or concern for Asylum if you are not worried about making them liable. 

 

To further verify your handicapped, you told me to sue you.... did I claim to have ownership? Are you that handicapped that you cannot read?

 

Clearly you know nothing of Motorcycle Clubs or their culture, or else you would know how insulting it is to take up someone else's name or image without the rights to it, or even earning it. So enjoy being a faggot fan boy kid, I am sure that gangland episode got you arosed as fuck, and that is why this fly-by-night, copy cat, shitty thread was created. 

Again my point is be ORIGINAL AND DON'T MAKE ASYLUM LIABLE BECAUSE YOU HAD A HARD ON DURING A GANGLAND EPISODE PUNK FAGGOT 

[The Rare Breed]

Furthermore 2 clubs sharing names is never good, just look at Warlocks Cali, and Warlocks Florida, they hate each other with a passion, so again this point of "clubs don't care about names" is again very dumb and narrow-minded 

[The Rare Breed]

6 minutes ago, Cpag said:

And you do realize there is about 25 organizations in this game that have names of real ones..Murder INC for one and many others I seen

I am well aware, but thanks to recent FBI efforts, a majority of Motorcycle Clubs now own all image and branding of themselves. Most are willing to sue for use and defimation (Rockstar is currently being sued by Hells Angels)

 

It is neive and down right childish to assume that using others property will never have any repercussions. Do you really want to make Asylum liable because you can't create an original idea on your own? 

 

Smh at people's logic today. "They aren't here so it doesn't matter".... I would love to see that excuse attempted in court.

[The Rare Breed]

Rare Breed MC is a real club that was established in 1989 and have Charters and Chapters all over the world. They claim they are against drugs, violence,  and breaking the law. Perhaps look up clubs before you try to make one and not become a copy cat, opening an unsanctioned and stolen idea. 

[Mood of forum is getting to wrong side.]

5 hours ago, Milamber said:

I have only been browsing the forums for a short time.  But from my point of view people obviously want the game out but the lack of dev input on the forums is the major contributor to unrest.  It's one thing to release Dev Updates every few months but the Dev's are almost not apart of the forums.  It takes so little effort to be on the forums or at least let us feel like they have a presence.  At the time of writing this the last dev post according to the website was 9 days ago.

It should be the dev's posting screenshots and such to the pages after the streams not others.

Just my 2 cents.

What would you prefer, devs to divide their focus on the game to simply tell you they are working on it, but it will most likely delay the project further? Or them to focus primarily on the game, updating us when they see a need to? Remember this is a 9-10 PERSON DEV TEAM, and not like other major developers who have multiple teams working on a game. 

Furthermore most developers don't even hint a game until it is near completion and has a base release date (like RDR 2 and Spring of 2018). Asylum however mentioned this game when it was in preproduction for the sake of financial support, something most developers never do. 

I personally believe people should stop treating Asylum like they are one of the million dollar developers, and instead realise that this is a very small and independent development team.

We need to be patient as we have been spoiled by the gaming industry, and I dont want another No Man's Sky and Hello Games.