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It is an interesting statement, that have been tryed in several countrys both to raise the taxes and to lower taxes for high income companys and high income persons. I will come a little longer down in this post.

If you take @DLimit idea, with Communism then it basic says, that you have to pay youre full income to goverment (that will say him) and then the goverment vill provide you with (what he think) you need, and all have to be equal no matter what they do.

In theory it should work, if all are living in a bouble, all are free and no one will make it better for them self or for next generation. In real life this have shown not to work, because several things, ex. if a person takes an education lets say to be a lawyer, then its a long education, and the working hours can be 60-70h per week. And compared to a person that work on a daycare, with no education and have a work week on lets say 40h to give those 2 people same sallery, same living standards just because goverment think so are not working in real life. This model have been tryed out and no suprise its not working. It opens up for very high risk for corruption, and a black market that can not be controlled by goverment, those that are making most of it are the mafia.

If we go back to the tax, with diffrent tax levels, its general a bad idea, because if you in real life put up higher taxes on Companys that are making alot of money, then they move the production to places with lower taxes, that will cost working places, lost income from the taxes from the workers etc.

And the same is for those individuals with high sallerys, if you tax them too much, then they either move to other countrys or change jobs because at some point its not worth it. Why work 60-70h per week if you have to pay 50% in taxes then better to work 40h and pay 10% taxes.
I have seen some of the other candidates where it scales up, what is the idea to invest money in a company if all (or at least a huge %) have to be payed in taxes for the fact that you have a successfull Company, if most have to be payed in taxes ?

If you take companys like Volvo, Scania, Ericsson or Ikea (All swediish btw.) they pay Close to 0% in income taxes in sweden, however they pay taxes for all of their imployes, but they moved the main office to some tax paradise, and pay a minimum income tax there. Some of their factorys have been moved to lower payed countrys- (witch is a loss for Sweden, lost jobs, lost income taxes etc.) 
US did the same on the car industry, and they moved away from the US, result a lot of lost jobs, loss of income for a lot of the Citizens, a loss in the stores due to people could not afford to buy as much. it does hit more than just the company you want to put a higher tax on. People could not buy houses etc.

If they had same amount of tax rate as any other in Sweden they would have payed the taxes here, but an over taxing did that they moved it outside sweden.

A too low tax rate, for buisness compare to private tax rates create an option for tax fraud. - Witch again leads back to same tax rate for all will be the best, and personal I prefer a min tax rate, becase it gives me the freedom to invest in what ever think is best for me, not what the goverment think is best for me.

In Identity then charge those that do criminal stuff for their crimes, dont let legit buisness pay an overprize for what other does of criminal gameplay, its fair enough to help pay for those services, and I do think that the 10%  that @LuciousTimes  have set as tax are a fair amount no matter if you are a private or a buisness owner
 

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37 minutes ago, Turaxis said:

It is an interesting statement, that have been tryed in several countrys both to raise the taxes and to lower taxes for high income companys and high income persons. I will come a little longer down in this post.

If you take @DLimit idea, with Communism then it basic says, that you have to pay youre full income to goverment (that will say him) and then the goverment vill provide you with (what he think) you need, and all have to be equal no matter what they do.

In theory it should work, if all are living in a bouble, all are free and no one will make it better for them self or for next generation. In real life this have shown not to work, because several things, ex. if a person takes an education lets say to be a lawyer, then its a long education, and the working hours can be 60-70h per week. And compared to a person that work on a daycare, with no education and have a work week on lets say 40h to give those 2 people same sallery, same living standards just because goverment think so are not working in real life. This model have been tryed out and no suprise its not working. It opens up for very high risk for corruption, and a black market that can not be controlled by goverment, those that are making most of it are the mafia.

If we go back to the tax, with diffrent tax levels, its general a bad idea, because if you in real life put up higher taxes on Companys that are making alot of money, then they move the production to places with lower taxes, that will cost working places, lost income from the taxes from the workers etc.

And the same is for those individuals with high sallerys, if you tax them too much, then they either move to other countrys or change jobs because at some point its not worth it. Why work 60-70h per week if you have to pay 50% in taxes then better to work 40h and pay 10% taxes.
I have seen some of the other candidates where it scales up, what is the idea to invest money in a company if all (or at least a huge %) have to be payed in taxes for the fact that you have a successfull Company, if most have to be payed in taxes ?

If you take companys like Volvo, Scania, Ericsson or Ikea (All swediish btw.) they pay Close to 0% in income taxes in sweden, however they pay taxes for all of their imployes, but they moved the main office to some tax paradise, and pay a minimum income tax there. Some of their factorys have been moved to lower payed countrys- (witch is a loss for Sweden, lost jobs, lost income taxes etc.) 
US did the same on the car industry, and they moved away from the US, result a lot of lost jobs, loss of income for a lot of the Citizens, a loss in the stores due to people could not afford to buy as much. it does hit more than just the company you want to put a higher tax on. People could not buy houses etc.

If they had same amount of tax rate as any other in Sweden they would have payed the taxes here, but an over taxing did that they moved it outside sweden.

A too low tax rate, for buisness compare to private tax rates create an option for tax fraud. - Witch again leads back to same tax rate for all will be the best, and personal I prefer a min tax rate, becase it gives me the freedom to invest in what ever think is best for me, not what the goverment think is best for me.

In Identity then charge those that do criminal stuff for their crimes, dont let legit buisness pay an overprize for what other does of criminal gameplay, its fair enough to help pay for those services, and I do think that the 10%  that @LuciousTimes  have set as tax are a fair amount no matter if you are a private or a buisness owner
 

"In theory it should work, if all are living in a bouble, all are free and no one will make it better for them self or for next generation. In real life this have shown not to work, because several things, ex. if a person takes an education lets say to be a lawyer, then its a long education, and the working hours can be 60-70h per week. And compared to a person that work on a daycare, with no education and have a work week on lets say 40h to give those 2 people same sallery, same living standards just because goverment think so are not working in real life. This model have been tryed out and no suprise its not working. It opens up for very high risk for corruption, and a black market that can not be controlled by goverment, those that are making most of it are the mafia."

The claim is inaccurate considering that individuals within Cuba are WILLING to study medicine and function as doctors and professors despite earning a lesser amount of wealth than a waiter or waitress that is tipped a decent sum of currency by foreign tourists. However, due to the massive embargoes against Cuba, individuals were FORCED to exchange products within the black market due to a lack of resources within the island. In other terms, entities would be satisfied with fulfilling the role considering that they are ensured food, clothing, shelter, energy, education, and healthcare WHILE fulfilling their passions and desires within society.

Does a child entertain his or her curious mind in exchange for a materialistic incentive? Not at all, it is an INTELLECTUAL and CREATIVE incentive.

 

My person intends to function as a lawyer AND a professor for the purposes of educating the public on academic subjects and political affairs while ensuring the justice is served within the nation.... the money is meaningless, EXCLUDING within a capitalistic system that REQUIRES my person to accumulate wealth in order to survive.

P.S. "companies" would not exist within a Communist state. However, factories and stores that are owned by the STATE would exist within the nation considering that the PEOPLE, not business owners, seize the means of production within the nation.

 


 

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And you say to me that the goverment have not been corrupt under Fidels time ?
That people was free to say what they was thinking, and had open media ?

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"Excuse me, Mr. @LuciousTimes
You don't know me yet, Special Agent Zoey Anderson. I'm here on unofficial business. Don't worry.

I have a question for you. About your campaign.
 This quote I believe you said in one your speeches."

On 1/31/2017 at 5:12 AM, LuciousTimes said:

Justice: "Eye for an Eye", what one man does to another illegally the government will have done to him. For example, you steal from a man. Whatever the worth of the items you stole the government will take from you and give to the one you stole from. You kill a man with no regard, the government will kill you with no regard.

"Surely this is a terrible idea, Mr. @LuciousTimes? Two wrongs doesn't make a right.
Or what do you say?"

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2 hours ago, Norway174 said:

"Excuse me, Mr. @LuciousTimes
You don't know me yet, Special Agent Zoey Anderson. I'm here on unofficial business. Don't worry.

I have a question for you. About your campaign.
 This quote I believe you said in one your speeches."

"Surely this is a terrible idea, Mr. @LuciousTimes? Two wrongs doesn't make a right.
Or what do you say?"

Nice to meet you Agent Anderson! I'm not aware of whether you're religious or not, I wouldn't know that unless you confessed that information about yourself. I confess that I am religious and with that I believe that what you give you should be given in return, whether it's good or bad! You say to wrongs doesn't make a right and you are definitely correct, but to ME I don't see it as a wrong when the government corrects the individual by showing them how hurtful what they do can be! A man steals an $8,000 necklace your grandmother gave to you, he gets caught and is then thrown in prison where the government must care for him out of taxes you pay, and then after some time he's back out into the world again! To ME that's a waste of taxes and time! I say the government posseses items of the criminal equal to the value of the stolen property and grant that to the victim on top of having her stolen property returned! That's fair, I don't see it as wrong when the government is making things fair! I feel placing someone in prison on tax dollars and then releasing them is wrong!  That's just my opinion, but how do you feel about that? 

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"Mr. @LuciousTimes,

First off, let me say, I respect your opinions and views.
But, I feel like you're missing the big picture.

Everyone has their reasons, I should know.
And some, are just psychopaths.

If someone steals a car, and you take their car away. Then they're no better off than before they stole the other car. Actually, they're worse off.
Which only compels them to do it again. Because maybe they're desperate? Who knows? Everyone has their reasons.

Would it not be much better, if we as a society, helped them? Instead of locking them up, or as you propose, make them worse off than they were before.
And thus, make them a better citizen, and help them become productive members of society?

Even major crimes, like murder. Locking them up, or execution doesn't help anyone. But giving them therapy, helping them, make them realize what they did was wrong. And make them productive members of society, in the long term, everyone will benefit.

I'd like to think we're not in the stone ages anymore, and execution should never be a valid option, in my opinion.

And to answer your question, Mr. @LuciousTimes, no. I am not religious."

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On 4/20/2017 at 10:16 PM, LuciousTimes said:

 

7 minutes ago, Norway174 said:

"Mr. @LuciousTimes,

First off, let me say, I respect your opinions and views.
But, I feel like you're missing the big picture.

Everyone has their reasons, I should know.
And some, are just psychopaths.

If someone steals a car, and you take their car away. Then they're no better off than before they stole the other car. Actually, they're worse off.
Which only compels them to do it again. Because maybe they're desperate? Who knows? Everyone has their reasons.

Would it not be much better, if we as a society, helped them? Instead of locking them up, or as you propose, make them worse off than they were before.
And thus, make them a better citizen, and help them become productive members of society?

Even major crimes, like murder. Locking them up, or execution doesn't help anyone. But giving them therapy, helping them, make them realize what they did was wrong. And make them productive members of society, in the long term, everyone will benefit.

I'd like to think we're not in the stone ages anymore, and execution should never be a valid option, in my opinion.

And to answer your question, Mr. @LuciousTimes, no. I am not religious."

We must also keep in mind that this is a game people will be playing and they will commit crimes simply because they think that particular part is fun to them. When the game comes out, I'm sure there will undoubtedly and unfortunately be a large amount of crime being committed.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Norway174 said:

"Mr. @LuciousTimes,

First off, let me say, I respect your opinions and views.
But, I feel like you're missing the big picture.

Everyone has their reasons, I should know.
And some, are just psychopaths.

If someone steals a car, and you take their car away. Then they're no better off than before they stole the other car. Actually, they're worse off.
Which only compels them to do it again. Because maybe they're desperate? Who knows? Everyone has their reasons.

Would it not be much better, if we as a society, helped them? Instead of locking them up, or as you propose, make them worse off than they were before.
And thus, make them a better citizen, and help them become productive members of society?

Even major crimes, like murder. Locking them up, or execution doesn't help anyone. But giving them therapy, helping them, make them realize what they did was wrong. And make them productive members of society, in the long term, everyone will benefit.

I'd like to think we're not in the stone ages anymore, and execution should never be a valid option, in my opinion.

And to answer your question, Mr. @LuciousTimes, no. I am not religious."

@Deadman hit the nail on head! That's exactly where I was headed! In real life what you're saying is true, we would want to help them instead of place them in a worst position! However,  the people playing the game are role playing with interest in being criminals for the fun of it and I can't allow that so...that's why the harshest exist!

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5 minutes ago, Deadman said:

Actually maybe @LuciousTimes plan will deter people from commiting crimes as they will find out there are consequences to their ingame actions would work better than what you suggested

 

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5 minutes ago, Deadman said:
9 minutes ago, Deadman said:

Actually maybe @LuciousTimes plan will deter people from commiting crimes as they will find out there are consequences to their ingame actions would work better than what you suggested

 

Exactly!!! Deadman you are very analytical!

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(( I guess we're breaking character then. Or the fourth-wall. :P I was just RPing as my character here. Who had some concerns. I know full well it's a game, and people are going to commit crimes for fun, and it's because it's a game. And we're going to be there to try and stop them. All fun and games. But that shouldn't mean could at least try and RP a little realistically.

And, really, I don't think that many criminals are going to surrender either way. So all in all, I think it's gonna be a very little used system. So it probably doesn't even matter all that much.))

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5 minutes ago, Norway174 said:

(( I guess we're breaking character then. Or the fourth-wall. :P I was just RPing as my character here. Who had some concerns. I know full well it's a game, and people are going to commit crimes for fun, and it's because it's a game. And we're going to be there to try and stop them. All fun and games. But that shouldn't mean could at least try and RP a little realistically. ))

Lol, yes I try to do in places of taxes, drugs and so forth but when it comes to serious crime I'll need to fit the environment of the game! I'm gonna PM you!

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People tend to grow very upset when either their allegations are criticisms of someone land in the favor of who they targeted! In that case I don't being the victim! 

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