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Communism/Socialism/Radicalism - NOT the way. Freedom for All!

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I am fairly new to this forum and have noticed that a large majority of the so called political parties who would have you vote for them present themselves under the banners of Radical Communist or Socialist ideals. I have also noticed that not many have said anything about this, though I believe someone should, so I will. (Disclaimer) To those of you whom I am addressing, I do realize that this is a game and everyone is entitled to their own opinions so please keep in mind that this is mine. Now back to what I was saying, communism is not an ideal system of governing for Identity, there are many reasons why it would not work but I will only touch on a few now. Many of these political parties claim to be for the people just as they have in history, the only issue is that there is no struggle or strife for which these radicals can prey on. The fictional universe that we are taking part of was designed as a democracy, freedom and agency to do as you please whenever you want. Communism would be contradictory to what Identity is, a place for all to be free of societal systems that bound us by a rigid system that is made in the name of the people. I understand that some of the aforementioned parties do not state they are radical (though some implicitly do) if not in a radical form there is simply no use for these pure Communistic or Socialistic systems to be in place, it would be beneficial to use what is used in modern society today, a hybrid democracy that utilizes capitalism and some socialist ideas. Allowing for free agency but also strengthening the communal aspects of society as well, ( As much as you could in a fictional world ). I guess what I am trying to say is that these parties are not necessary and I would go as far as to say that they may be harmful to the community as a whole. I have been a part of many communities like Identity and have watched radical ideals and  "Clubs" ruin the fun for many. Keep in mind this is not me saying that  it will happen, if you have a group or Party like this you may have only the best intentions and would never dream of letting it happen. Still, I say it is better to maintain what works, leave no room for catastrophic meltdowns of society. I do not believe when Karl Marx created his philosophy did he ever imagine the harm it would bring but nevertheless, it did. 

Democracy is the best bet for identity and the best method of having a great time too! 

P.S. Please keep in mind that these are my opinions, I reserve the right to hold them just as you are. I would love feedback and if you would like to expand on it, feel free. I am open to criticism and in fact welcome it, we would be nowhere without it. All I ask is that if you do, keep it civil and somewhat educated.  

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Communism/Socialism consists of more democratic characteristics than capitalism. In fact, Capitalism contradicts democratic values since the capitalistic system serves the interests of the "individual" while a democracy serves the interests of the "majority", which conflicts with one another when both systems interconnect. I.E. Lobbying.

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You are right, that is why it is best to have a hybrid government. One that uses different forms of government with oversight. Anything in a pure form usually would not work. 

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17 hours ago, DLimit said:

Communism/Socialism consists of more democratic characteristics than capitalism. In fact, Capitalism contradicts democratic values since the capitalistic system serves the interests of the "individual" while a democracy serves the interests of the "majority", which conflicts with one another when both systems interconnect. I.E. Lobbying.

 

Explain how Capitalism serves the interests of the individual.

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48 minutes ago, Kraiyick said:

Explain how Capitalism serves the interests of the individual.

 

Many people mistake corporatism for capitalism. :D

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4 hours ago, Anonymous_Citizen said:

Many people mistake corporatism for capitalism. :D

 

No I’m just waiting to see his stupid ass response about how people exploit workers lmao

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16 hours ago, Jmx10001 said:

So what you're proposing is social democracy am I right ?

 

 No real specific type of democracy. I would prefer it to be along the lines of how the governmental system is in the USA , obviously it is just a game so lots of things are not needed. I am more or less saying that communism is not necessary in identity. 

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23 hours ago, Kraiyick said:

No I’m just waiting to see his stupid ass response about how people exploit workers lmao

 

The government would exploit it's citizens far more under a socialized economic system than any company would ever exploit it's costumers or workers under a true free market system.

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8 hours ago, Drahgoone said:

The government would exploit it's citizens far more under a socialized economic system than any company would ever exploit it's costumers or workers under a true free market system.

 

Exactly.

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On 6/7/2018 at 10:26 PM, Drahgoone said:

The government would exploit it's citizens far more under a socialized economic system than any company would ever exploit it's costumers or workers under a true free market system.

 

A state owned by the workers would exploit themselves? Please, explain your logic.

"Socialism" is the full-scale WORKER'S CONTROL of the means of production, which also includes the state.

Nation-states that possess more Neo-Liberal (Free-Market Capitalist) policies tend to provide their workers with less than two-dollar per day earnings within the worst working-conditions within the planet Earth.

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On 6/6/2018 at 5:21 PM, Kraiyick said:

Explain how Capitalism serves the interests of the individual.

 

Capitalism, as a system, serves the interests of the individual considering that it's entire economic system is solely based on the accumulation of capital. The interests of the individual may include the preservation of property Rights. For example, a multi-national company such as Nestle is it's own private entity that claims ownership over the Rights of water solely based on the premise that ownership is determined by the land that one produces and/or purchases. The issue revolving around the privatization of water has resulted in Nestle preventing the average citizen from attaining access to the water that harvests crops, causing other land owners to undergo a state of debt or poverty due to their inability to produce and/or distribute goods to other human beings for profit.

When the Rights of the Individual trumps the Right for humanity to attain access to water as a means for survival clearly indicates the capitalism must be destroyed since one's Right to "Private Property" is deemed to be more valuable than the general population's "Right to Life".

It is merely one example of the capitalist system's intention to value the Rights of an individual over the Right of a collective society.

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On 6/6/2018 at 6:11 PM, Anonymous_Citizen said:

Many people mistake corporatism for capitalism. :D

 

Corporatism is a by-product of capitalism. What is your definition of Corporatism and Capitalism when both systems are based on the accumulation of capital, private ownership, and the exploitation of the working class' labour power?

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On 6/6/2018 at 10:44 PM, Kraiyick said:

No I’m just waiting to see his stupid ass response about how people exploit workers lmao

 

Ah, such as the unregulated markets within South-East Asia that provide their workers with less than two dollars per day without any health and safety Laws?

"Stupid ass response"... I am a future professor of the political sciences with a historical analysis of economic systems throughout the globe. Interested in engaging in a serious discussion without resorting to weak ad hominems?

A free-market capitalist system is a system that resulted in the thousands of deaths of children caused by work-related accidents during the late 1800s within The United States of America. I.E. Thirteen year-old chimney sweepers.

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3 hours ago, DLimit said:

Capitalism, as a system, serves the interests of the individual considering that it's entire economic system is solely based on the accumulation of capital. The interests of the individual may include the preservation of property Rights. For example, a multi-national company such as Nestle is it's own private entity that claims ownership over the Rights of water solely based on the premise that ownership is determined by the land that one produces and/or purchases. The issue revolving around the privatization of water has resulted in Nestle preventing the average citizen from attaining access to the water that harvests crops, causing other land owners to undergo a state of debt or poverty due to their inability to produce and/or distribute goods to other human beings for profit.

When the Rights of the Individual trumps the Right for humanity to attain access to water as a means for survival clearly indicates the capitalism must be destroyed since one's Right to "Private Property" is deemed to be more valuable than the general population's "Right to Life".

It is merely one example of the capitalist system's intention to value the Rights of an individual over the Right of a collective society.

 

Just to address all your replies in one post, let me first say thank you for keeping it civil and educated. As for what you had said concerning a market economy and individual gain, I think we can assume that most people on this forum within the podium section has had a somewhat comprehensive education on political science or at least a basic understanding of it so I do not need to get into the finer points of why I think on a fundamental level communism would not work, what I am trying to say is I already believe you know what I will say. In my opinion, yes, our government in the United States has problems and has (had) problems. Capitalism does breed greed, I do not deny this but it also creates a situation where it is in the best interest of any business or corporation to benefit society as a whole in order to gain more wealth. Before you say it, I understand that there are many many companies that have no interest in the consumers that use their products, companies that push anti consumerist policies, but that is the beauty of the system. A company cannot survive if it does not adapt to the changing tastes and environments of the whole economy than it will surely fail. In our society today I admit that there are many companies that have too much power, (like Nestle) and with that power they do horrible things like taking ownership of water supplies and pushing the absurd idea that water is not a human right but I will say that the worst capitalism has ever been will never be as bad as the worst of communism. In history communism (Pure Communism) has never worked including the other forms of socialist policies or fascist systems that claim to be "For the People". All these systems usually end with a dictator, unhappy people, and many of those said people dead at the hands of their own governments. I agree, there are some systems of communism in the world that work today like China, but even China a country for so long that held a position of being very communist has embraced capitalism for growth and overall wealth of the state. If you need to see what systems work in our world you only need to look at history and the present, we have to learn from our mistakes. Communism had its chance many times and failed, just like fascism and socialism. In the end it always seems to take the one thing every human needs, individual freedom to make bad choices, stupid choices, greedy choices, smart choices, selfless choices, "selfish" choices, choices for the those around them. This is the way it has always been, I want to live my life for myself and for those that I love. More often than the average Joe, I like to help people too but I want to do it my way. Maybe poorer countries are more accepting of communism because it offers a short term solution to a long term problem caused by their own incompetent leaders, but just because the world has suffering and poor does not mean that it is the fault of all major companies or the greed of said companies. Keep in mind this is all my opinion but I am saying this from the United States and I am proud to say that with all of our mistakes in history and the present we have made it this far and we did it for the people, and maintained national pride without communism. 

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7 hours ago, DLimit said:

Ah, such as the unregulated markets within South-East Asia that provide their workers with less than two dollars per day without any health and safety Laws?

"Stupid ass response"... I am a future professor of the political sciences with a historical analysis of economic systems throughout the globe. Interested in engaging in a serious discussion without resorting to weak ad hominems?

A free-market capitalist system is a system that resulted in the thousands of deaths of children caused by work-related accidents during the late 1800s within The United States of America. I.E. Thirteen year-old chimney sweepers.

 

The “stupid ass response” was more caused by the fact that most people on these forums are children who can’t spell for the life of them, my mistake in assuming the same from you. You say future professor, may I ask where? And unregulated markets have never been good, especially when said markets lack sufficient laws for workers as you said. But America today has laws protecting workers from egregious work conditions. It wasn’t a free market economy causing the poor work conditions, it was a lack of laws as you said.

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12 hours ago, DLimit said:

A state owned by the workers would exploit themselves? Please, explain your logic.

"Socialism" is the full-scale WORKER'S CONTROL of the means of production, which also includes the state.

Nation-states that possess more Neo-Liberal (Free-Market Capitalist) policies tend to provide their workers with less than two-dollar per day earnings within the worst working-conditions within the planet Earth.

 

A false conundrum is created when you try and claim communism to be democratic. There is no democracy in this, rather an elite political class made up of top party members that claims to represent the people. The USSR for instance never was democratic, they couldn't care less about the people so long as they are coned into doing the bidding of the centralized government. Dollar voting is the only way to have democracy within an economic system, not a bunch of big wigs that claim to serve the interest of the people.

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Im setting up a Nazbol Insurgent Miltia, Inbox me for details....

Will be willing to work with Socialists and Communists

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